VCR S-Video

[trupac]

Im converting the videos from my VCR to DVD ( with ADVC 1394 which has S-video in ) but my VCR doesnt have an s-video output,just a Scart output..and everybody is saying that with S-video the picture is better..i was looking for another VCR but non of them has s-video output,just scart or composite.. maybe it will be a little bit stupid question,but is it possible to "build in" to the VCR an S-video output ? or what can be the solution ?
I was trying with the Scart-Svideo adapter,but it wasn't working..the picture is black&white..
thanks

[kbosward]

What model is your VCR?

Ken.

[SoundFreak]

I also used to use an old svhs player with scart connector, it works when used with a converter to svhs.

Just google for "scart pinout" and you will find some info for the connections.

Most likely you converter is bad.

[SoundFreak]

Maybe this helps

http://pinouts.ru/VideoCables/scart_svhs_pinout.shtml

http://pinouts.ru/VideoCables/svhs_scart_pinout.shtml

[trupac]

Its not a big brand player : a Sanyo VHR-781G , but its a 2002 model..
I opened my Scart-Svideo adapter , and compared with the pinouts from
http://pinouts.ru/VideoCables/scart_svhs_pinout.shtml site,and in my adapter the pins are connected apsolutely in a different way !
I will try to reconnect the pins in the same way as it is on the picture and will see if it will work or not..
BUT,when i connected this adapter to my dvd player scart out,it was giving a good colour picture in Svideo..
but it is black and white on my VCR..
I was reading on this page that not all VCR can give an Svideo signal through Scart..and somebody wrote on this forum that the VCR device has to do the Y/C separation..
What can be the solution in this case ( if the device is not separating the Y/C ) ??

" Most SCART-equipped televisions or VCRs (and almost all of the older ones) do not actually support S-Video, resulting in a black-and-white picture if attempted to use, as only the luminance signal portion is used "

[SoundFreak]

Let's hope the change of pinout works for you.
There are "adaptors" on the internet for sale, mostly in the 4 to 10 USD range who "claim" they solve the b&w picture problem.
It's worth a try at such low price but not sure if it will work.
Anyone else who's used them before ?

[antonsvideo]

is your VHS player an S-VHS player? is it made for Super VHS/VHS, if not, you won't have S-Video out

look for buying a Super VHS VCR

[SoundFreak]

Using Google I could only find Sanyo VHR-H 781G, only listed on 2 German pages.

My german command of the language is not that bad therefore I can asume that the version without the "H" is like this one a standard VHS player and not a S-VHS player.

So I'm quite sure that the Y/C separating you want to do won't work as the player only send composite video out via scart.

Not sure if anything can be done besides looking for a real S-VHS player.

[GrassValley_BH]

This all seems like a lot of work... The difference between S-Video and Composite is noticeable, for good sources but usually VHS is far from a good source.

I would try a very short, well-shielded Composite connection and see how bad it looks.

[trupac]

It's a standard VHS player,not a S VHS player..so i dont need even to "repin" the adapter it wont help??
I was grabbing video with a short composite cable..and the picture was good,almost the same as on the tape..

[GrassValley_BH]

It's a standard VHS player,not a S VHS player..so i dont need even to "repin" the adapter it wont help??
I was grabbing video with a short composite cable..and the picture was good,almost the same as on the tape..

Getting S-Video out of the deck might help, but in my opinion it's probably not worth spending a lot of time or money on it since as you say the signal over Composite looks good.

Just my opinion...

[kbosward]

I have noticed a difference between using S-video and composite connection on VHS source material even when it is not so good quality (eg. a recording of a recording). The difference is on the edges of colours. With the composite connection there is noticeable colour fringing. But you have to be looking for it to notice it :)

In my opinion the main advantage of S-VHS players is that they usually also have built-in video stabilisation. This gives a much more stable signal, particularly with older tapes.

Ken.

[biopic]

I seem to recall Anton saying a few years ago that there is a theoretical technical reason why a VHS tape played back on an "ideal" S-VHS deck can never be quite as good as when played on an "ideal" VHS deck. And as only S-VHS decks (and maybe a few very expensive professional VHS decks) have connections other than composite, there seems to be nowhere else to go.

[trupac]

I tryed to capture from my DVD players S-video and composite out,to see the difference between them,and there's just a little bit of difference..the color was the same on both,i didnt see any difference in color..
Really the VHS tape played back on SVHS player is not that good as on VHS player ?? that surprised me..
1more thing : connecting my dvd player to Tv, which 1is better the scart or S-video ??? or its the same ?

[GrassValley_BH]

In my experience you get best playback from the device that originally recorded the tape. That's because the heads are (hopefully) in the exact same alignment they were when the recording was made.

Like floppy drives, VHS deck heads tend to get out of alignment over time.

I found this Videomaker article quite helpful, especially in terms of "real-world" application of S-Video (Y/C) versus Composite (CVBS).

http://www.videomaker.com/article/3308/