Edius and After Effects etc

PaulTV · 07-15-2007, 06:05 PM

At the risk of being boring, I'd like to ask again the situation with the AE plugin for Edius.

I've just tested After Effects CS3 with the plugin, it works fine, but still we have the problem that you cannot switch between AE and Edius.

Edius will not open until you fully close AE.

This was not the case with earlier versions of the plug.

If you remove the plug from AE, you can happily switch, so it is a plugin problem.

Maybe this is not important to many users, but pro and broadcast users utilise After Effects for all their compositing needs. Some will respond with, Boris Red etc etc, but this is no answer to the situation.

Grass Valley appear to be interested in presenting Edius as a "pro" software solution, and continued failure to address simple issues such as plugins and, dare I say it VST are not helping to forge a serious link with professional users.

I'm sure this post will result in a couple of glib remarks about, " use another software" etc etc, but I'd like someone to say, yes there is a problem and yes they'll be fixed with 4.5.

I find it really odd that Edius comes with Sound Soap that will not work correctly, VST support that does not work correctly and the AE/Lightwave/Photoshop plugin that does not work correctly. It's rather like buying a car only to be told that the windscreen wipers only work when it's not raining.

I still think Edius works well and 4.5 looks like a great step forward, but please, is it not possible to sort out these tedious faults once and forever? it really is no fun switching software off and starting it up 35 times a day, then removing audio glitches caused by VST errors.

Paul

shueardm · 07-15-2007, 11:45 PM

I agree completely.

**GrassValley_MD** · 07-17-2007, 05:40 PM

All I can say is that Grass Valley is looking very seriously at the plugin issue.

I can't say anymore than that because anything more than this would be what we hope and want to do and not what has been done.

Mike

Mike Truly · 07-18-2007, 04:02 AM

Being a heavy compositing user, I too would love to see the integration improved with apps such as AE.

Thanks!

STORMDAVE · 07-18-2007, 04:11 AM

I knew I wasn't the only one.....

Count me in :D

Alter Ego · 07-18-2007, 06:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by STORMDAVE

I knew I wasn't the only one.....

Count me in :D

Count me in as well. I have been using Boris Red as an Edius Plugin a lot lately. Plugin capability is very very nice to have. Heres to hoping.

7hbg · 07-18-2007, 10:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GrassValley_MD

All I can say is that Grass Valley is looking very seriously at the plugin issue.

Mike

Please pass the word up to the GV people:

Please release the Software Development Kit (SDK) so people can again write plugins for this software. No one will seriously consider developing any plugins for EDIUS until they know that they can work with it and understand what can be done with it. Also release all APIs, unlike the old (no longer available) SDK that was extremely limited/crippled.
There are threads in this and the old forum that are good examples of a real need for plugin development. Not all plugins will appeal to the masses. Some plugins are developed for very specific jobs. It would be silly to expect a big software company to develop something that they could not sell 1000s of. One example I have are set of filters I have developed for one of this forum user to split the video image into RGB/YUV/YC layers and to be able to move each layer so it can be used to re-align old color-shifted vhs footage. Canopus didn’t write anything remotely similar to do that, no other companies will if there is no profit in it, so let others who have time and interest develop little things like that. The more EDIUS is capable of, more people will want to use it.

PaulTV · 07-19-2007, 10:16 AM

Well said!

Paul

DVcatastrophe · 07-19-2007, 12:52 PM

I think the answer to this sort of question goes down to $$$, market share, and how much business such developments will bring to the Edius software. Their past integrations with big 3rd party Vendors didn't bring them the market share they expected, so I don't see why they would think it would work second time around. but if they strike a decent partnership, who knows?

Rusty · 07-19-2007, 05:00 PM

Don't forget, products like NX are not Grass Valley, so I'd imagine, unless GV buys the hardware line, we'll see less support for plug-ins before we see more. As mentioned above, it's all about the $$$.

Rusty

07-15-2007, 06:05 PM	#1
PaulTV Senior Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Ibiza Posts: 1,106	Edius and After Effects etc At the risk of being boring, I'd like to ask again the situation with the AE plugin for Edius. I've just tested After Effects CS3 with the plugin, it works fine, but still we have the problem that you cannot switch between AE and Edius. Edius will not open until you fully close AE. This was not the case with earlier versions of the plug. If you remove the plug from AE, you can happily switch, so it is a plugin problem. Maybe this is not important to many users, but pro and broadcast users utilise After Effects for all their compositing needs. Some will respond with, Boris Red etc etc, but this is no answer to the situation. Grass Valley appear to be interested in presenting Edius as a "pro" software solution, and continued failure to address simple issues such as plugins and, dare I say it VST are not helping to forge a serious link with professional users. I'm sure this post will result in a couple of glib remarks about, " use another software" etc etc, but I'd like someone to say, yes there is a problem and yes they'll be fixed with 4.5. I find it really odd that Edius comes with Sound Soap that will not work correctly, VST support that does not work correctly and the AE/Lightwave/Photoshop plugin that does not work correctly. It's rather like buying a car only to be told that the windscreen wipers only work when it's not raining. I still think Edius works well and 4.5 looks like a great step forward, but please, is it not possible to sort out these tedious faults once and forever? it really is no fun switching software off and starting it up 35 times a day, then removing audio glitches caused by VST errors. Paul __________________ Edius Edits at: http://www.vimeo.com/user781619/videos System 1: Edius 6.52 Gigabyte Z68X-UD7 i72600K @4.6GHz Water Cooled. 100GB OCZ IBIS System drive, 4TB Raid 0, 4 TB E-Sata Raid 5, 32GB RAM, GTX570 2.56GB GDDR5 MX02, Spark http://indiestereographer.blogspot.co.uk http://www.youtube.com/user/Indieste...r?feature=mhee

07-15-2007, 11:45 PM	#2
shueardm Senior Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: South Australia Posts: 3,037	I agree completely. __________________ Supermicro X7DWA-N, 2 X Xeon 5420, Windows 8 Pro, 16GB RAM. GTX 280 O/C, Storm 3G EDIUS 6.52, BMD Broadcast Converter. http://on2dvd.com.au

07-18-2007, 04:02 AM	#4
Mike Truly Senior Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Crested Butte, CO USA Posts: 549	Being a heavy compositing user, I too would love to see the integration improved with apps such as AE. Thanks! __________________ Sincerely, Mike Truly ---------------------------------------------------------------- Truly Media 1.800.829.4990 www.trulymedia.com EdiusNX+Exp\|Edius 6.03\|Procoder3\|XP32\|Dual Xeon 3.6\|4GB RAM\|U320 RAID0 15K

07-18-2007, 04:11 AM	#5
STORMDAVE Senior Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: cali Posts: 2,767	I knew I wasn't the only one..... Count me in :D __________________ Nothing is true. Everything is permitted.

07-19-2007, 10:16 AM	#8
PaulTV Senior Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Ibiza Posts: 1,106	Well said! Paul __________________ Edius Edits at: http://www.vimeo.com/user781619/videos System 1: Edius 6.52 Gigabyte Z68X-UD7 i72600K @4.6GHz Water Cooled. 100GB OCZ IBIS System drive, 4TB Raid 0, 4 TB E-Sata Raid 5, 32GB RAM, GTX570 2.56GB GDDR5 MX02, Spark http://indiestereographer.blogspot.co.uk http://www.youtube.com/user/Indieste...r?feature=mhee

07-17-2007, 05:40 PM	#3
GrassValley_MD Mike Downey... The Jollymon Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Lehi, Ut Posts: 970	All I can say is that Grass Valley is looking very seriously at the plugin issue. I can't say anymore than that because anything more than this would be what we hope and want to do and not what has been done. Mike

07-19-2007, 12:52 PM	#9
DVcatastrophe Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Australia Posts: 51	I think the answer to this sort of question goes down to $$$, market share, and how much business such developments will bring to the Edius software. Their past integrations with big 3rd party Vendors didn't bring them the market share they expected, so I don't see why they would think it would work second time around. but if they strike a decent partnership, who knows? __________________ IntelDG965SSK mobo, nVidia7600GT, Intel E6420Core2Duo 2.13ghz, 1 meg DDR2 RAM, Canopus Storm2Pro, Edius 3.62.

07-19-2007, 05:00 PM	#10
Rusty Senior Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Sacramento, CA Posts: 2,801	Don't forget, products like NX are not Grass Valley, so I'd imagine, unless GV buys the hardware line, we'll see less support for plug-ins before we see more. As mentioned above, it's all about the $$$. Rusty __________________ Rusty Rogers \| Films >Flanders Scientific LM-2140W Grading monitor & 30" Apple Cinema Display (2650x1600!)BM Resolve & Ultrascope Vistitle v1.8 >TYAN S7025, 16GB RAM, 2 x Xeon X5550's, 4 x 10k video HD's, Win8 x64, GV Storm 3G, Quadro 4000 & 600 GPUs, 12TB DroboPro w/iSCISI connection >Sager Notebook - 8GB RAM, QX6600 Quad, 100GB system, built-in 600GB RAID-0 storage, Win7 x64, GeForce GO 7950GTX 512mb An inglorious peace is better than a dishonorable war. Twain - "Glances at History" 1906

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